Today Show Friday Morning? [Archive] - Grace Potter and the Nocturnals

Karen_J

06-17-2011, 09:30 AM

Grace looked great and sounded great, as expected. I thought NBC's sound mix was very generous, almost allowing Grace to cover Kenny up at times. :D I love it when Grace goes back to her smooth style from the old days. I have to give props to Kenny or anybody else who can get her to do that now and then.

I would assume that the video will be on the Today Show's web site, as soon as the performance airs on the west coast.

Unfortunately, the GPN web server was not able to handle the sudden spike in traffic as viewers rushed to Google this "unknown" person during the commercial break. It may be time for a beefier web server, since there will surely be more TV appearances in the future. If curious folks can get through to this site, some of them will become GPN fans. A percentage of those who get turned away will forget all about it and never come back. It's not good to miss those opportunities to snag new fans.

marknga

06-17-2011, 09:47 AM

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041478/ns/today-toyota_concert_series_on_today#43438925

HeathO96001

06-17-2011, 10:20 AM

Awesome video! Thanks Mark! :)

Trish

06-17-2011, 10:49 AM

Wow! Just watched the video and will be smiling all day after that! I love how Chesney made a special point of saying Grace's name at the end of the song just to be sure everyone remembered it. Clearly he knew what a big opportunity this was for greater exposure and he seemed both happy and proud to share the credit. What a cool guy. :cool:

kcortez

06-17-2011, 11:05 AM

I'm glad that Grace hired Kenny to sing backup on her song "You and Tequila". He did well for himself.

marknga

06-17-2011, 11:28 AM

I'm glad that Grace hired Kenny to sing backup on her song "You and Tequila". He did well for himself.

=)

You can't hold her back.... need to let her go. Her subtle is his wideopen

toofarnorth

06-17-2011, 11:32 AM

Tekawitha

06-17-2011, 11:57 AM

Wally C

06-17-2011, 01:57 PM

Thanks for the video!! I turned this on when he was on his second song and thought "Gee would be nice if Grace was there....' then tried to get on the website and couldn't.......now it all makes sense!!

Great expose to more potential ticket buyers!!!

eric

06-17-2011, 03:29 PM

great video! thanks for posting. was this filmed in NY? dam. i shouldaa played hooky and hit that. been slakin on the scene since ive been so slammed at work.

one thing i keep noticing or reading...mixed reviews on Grace singing with KC from her fans...and that is fine everyone is entitled to their own opinion and musical taste. it's just interesting. Chesney fans across the board appear to love Grace Potter with KC, as well as GPN, or Grace all by her lonesome self for that matter. they are discovering her and the Nox quickly! i'm confident the opening set at red rox on 7-8 will be packed with the entire sold out crowd on the early crew for the Nox. and i think Grace might sing more than the one song with KC during his set. the show is officially billed as "Kenny Chesney with Grace Potter."

kcortez

06-17-2011, 03:37 PM

one thing i keep noticing or reading...mixed reviews on Grace singing with KC from her fans...and that is fine everyone is entitled to their own opinion and musical taste. it's just interesting. Chesney fans across the board appear to love Grace Potter with KC, as well as GPN, or Grace all by her lonesome self for that matter.

I did some looking at this when the collaboration first came out. It's kind of staggering and your analysis is exactly right. Country music fans are pretty open about who they like . . . "Does it sound good? Does it look good?" . . . if yes then they're all for it.

Rock fans, on the other hand, are often close minded musical snobs. "Is Kenny cool? Is country music cool? Can I label this as "crappy" and not actually have to think about it?"

Hey, that gives me an opportunity to post my favorite link!!!

http://www.thisissomewhere.com/2010/06/03/dave-eggers-once-a-year-like-clockwork/

marknga

06-17-2011, 04:26 PM

I did some looking at this when the collaboration first came out. It's kind of staggering and your analysis is exactly right. Country music fans are pretty open about who they like . . . "Does it sound good? Does it look good?" . . . if yes then they're all for it.

Rock fans, on the other hand, are often close minded musical snobs. "Is Kenny cool? Is country music cool? Can I label this as "crappy" and not actually have to think about it?"

Hey, that gives me an opportunity to post my favorite link!!!

http://www.thisissomewhere.com/2010/06/03/dave-eggers-once-a-year-like-clockwork/

First time that I've read that ..... thanks for posting it.

DHBucker

06-17-2011, 08:30 PM

=)

You can't hold her back.... need to let her go. Her subtle is his wideopen

Right on! Right on! I'm very happy that he made sure Grace's name was heard. Not a fan of neo country, but Mr. Chesney was indeed a class act on the Today show. Give me Mr.Johnny Cash over kC any day, but he deserves props for being a gentleman and letting Grace shine her light!

Karen

06-17-2011, 08:58 PM

one thing i keep noticing or reading...mixed reviews on Grace singing with KC from her fans...and that is fine everyone is entitled to their own opinion and musical taste. it's just interesting. Chesney fans across the board appear to love Grace Potter with KC, as well as GPN, or Grace all by her lonesome self for that matter. they are discovering her and the Nox quickly! i'm confident the opening set at red rox on 7-8 will be packed with the entire sold out crowd on the early crew for the Nox. and i think Grace might sing more than the one song with KC during his set. the show is officially billed as "Kenny Chesney with Grace Potter."

Well put, eric. We are music lovers, are we not. Good to be open minded as well.

DHBucker

06-17-2011, 09:04 PM

I hope that I don't appear to be closed minded. I'm very open musically but country music these days just seems like refried Eagles to me and I love the Eagles.

Snowbird

06-18-2011, 08:15 AM

I'm glad that Grace hired Kenny to sing backup on her song "You and Tequila". He did well for himself.

heheee - It was a pleasure to see Grace shine. Whomever made that decision to spotlight Grace on this one - kudos! I'm sure Kenny had much to do with it, and that gives him big points from me! Really enjoyed watching the vid of the duet, the official music video is nicely done, but I'm thinking the today duet is my favorite version!

Charles

06-18-2011, 05:55 PM

Of course Chesney fans like Grace. What's not to like? But come on KC-

Country music fans are pretty open about who they like . . . "Does it sound good? Does it look good?" . . . if yes then they're all for it.

So the Dixie Chicks just started looking and sounding bad all the sudden?

Rock fans, on the other hand, are often close minded musical snobs. "Is Kenny cool? Is country music cool? Can I label this as "crappy" and not actually have to think about it?"

Heck of a generality there. I'd say the opposite- Rock has more tolerance and variety of acceptable genres and sub genres within it. I'll concede GPN will put on a great set that the Chesney fans will like. I want them play "Ah Mary" which is a naturally infectious song.:)

http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/9d15f4707344012ee3c400163e41dd5bhttp://

Charles

06-18-2011, 06:02 PM

http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/9d15f4707344012ee3c400163e41dd5b

Karen_J

06-19-2011, 03:26 PM

Rock fans, on the other hand, are often close minded musical snobs.

Not as often as classical music people, who frequently hate everything except classical. I once heard a college music professor explain how anyone could easily write a country hit song. He said just keep the chords simple, positive, and reassuring, bend a lot of notes, and start the lyrics out on some minor variation of the theme, "I left my wife and started drinking."
;)
He was joking, but every good joke has a grain of truth in it.

Xaphan

06-19-2011, 04:35 PM

I was going to say then why doesn't he write a hit song? Anything is possible for the person that doesn't have to do it.

Karen

06-19-2011, 04:46 PM

Of course Chesney fans like Grace. What's not to like? But come on KC-

Country music fans are pretty open about who they like . . . "Does it sound good? Does it look good?" . . . if yes then they're all for it.

So the Dixie Chicks just started looking and sounding bad all the sudden?

Rock fans, on the other hand, are often close minded musical snobs. "Is Kenny cool? Is country music cool? Can I label this as "crappy" and not actually have to think about it?"
Heck of a generality there. I'd say the opposite- Rock has more tolerance and variety of acceptable genres and sub genres within it. I'll concede GPN will put on a great set that the Chesney fans will like. I want them play "Ah Mary" which is a naturally infectious.

Pretty sure kc's point is soley about music, not politics. So it's apples to oranges here. (Tolerance level likely to swing the other way if politics.)

Karen_J

06-19-2011, 07:20 PM

then why doesn't he write a hit song?

He would probably say that it is beneath him. [roll eyes] Yet he has probably earned less in his lifetime than Carrie Underwood made last year. I'm sure Cat had some very similar experiences with music professors, but still came through it all with excellent, eclectic tastes.

I could introduce you to some people who would surely elevate your definition of the term "narrow minded" to a whole new level. In terms of music, I used to know someone in school who only respected Romantic Era composers, labeling such legends as Bach and Vivaldi as "unsophisticated"! And I have known many people who thought the only acceptable kind of music is traditional hymns, written no less than 100 years ago, and played only on a pipe organ. Everything else was evil to them, including contemporary Christian music, no matter how conservative the lyrics might be. And you probably know that the Pennsylvania Amish consider pipe organs to be too modern and worldly.

Socially, the Amish and their horse-drawn carriages are an easy choice to use for an extreme example here, but I've known a few old-school Southerners who drive regular cars and wear ordinary clothes, but still think that using an electric washing machine on Sunday is evil because it takes effort to load and unload it. And that it's morally wrong to play card games for fun, because it might encourage somebody someday to try gambling one time.

America is nothing if not diverse. We would be lucky to get a 90% consensus that grass is green and the sky is blue. Yet somehow, we get by.

/rant

joester

06-20-2011, 02:45 PM

Charles -
as to fans, I think the older and more socially mature folks are, generally, they are also more open to different styles of music.
I would think that younger fans (say under 20?) may not have the mindset to appreciate music outside their everyday listening choices.
just my 2 pesos.

eric

06-20-2011, 03:44 PM

He would probably say that it is beneath him. [roll eyes] Yet he has probably earned less in his lifetime than Carrie Underwood made last year. I'm sure Cat had some very similar experiences with music professors, but still came through it all with excellent, eclectic tastes.

I could introduce you to some people who would surely elevate your definition of the term "narrow minded" to a whole new level. In terms of music, I used to know someone in school who only respected Romantic Era composers, labeling such legends as Bach and Vivaldi as "unsophisticated"! And I have known many people who thought the only acceptable kind of music is traditional hymns, written no less than 100 years ago, and played only on a pipe organ. Everything else was evil to them, including contemporary Christian music, no matter how conservative the lyrics might be. And you probably know that the Pennsylvania Amish consider pipe organs to be too modern and worldly.

Socially, the Amish and their horse-drawn carriages are an easy choice to use for an extreme example here, but I've known a few old-school Southerners who drive regular cars and wear ordinary clothes, but still think that using an electric washing machine on Sunday is evil because it takes effort to load and unload it. And that it's morally wrong to play card games for fun, because it might encourage somebody someday to try gambling one time.

America is nothing if not diverse. We would be lucky to get a 90% consensus that grass is green and the sky is blue. Yet somehow, we get by.

/rant

Karen J-i am a fan of your rant. and everything else u contribute here. One day i'll visit North Carolina to see the Nocs, i hope we can share a bourbon or a Cheerwine when that day comes. and ill take u up on that offer to meet your friends that think the sky isnt blue. although i might already know them-sounds like a couple Long Island transplants to me! funny too what you wrote about the washing machine, maybe i am Amish after all.

This has turned into an interesting thread. i confess i can be a snob about a lot of things, just not music.

Xaphan

06-20-2011, 04:37 PM

I live in what is arguably the most cosmopolitan city in Kentucky, and you should meet my in-laws! They preach one thing and do another. The old joke that you might be a redneck if the tree doesn't branch is not all that far from the truth. You many times don't need to ask what level cousin a person is to what litter they come from. Having said all that, I do consider myself a southerner, but about as far left as one can get.

Karen_J

06-20-2011, 10:16 PM

ill take u up on that offer to meet your friends

Then I would have to admit to them that I've been talking to Yankees on the internet. So shocking and scary! :D

eric

06-21-2011, 02:25 AM

Then I would have to admit to them that I've been talking to Yankees on the internet.

"...and they are trying to brainwash me into going to a Kenny Chesney concert"

Karen_J

06-21-2011, 08:07 AM

Kenny Chesney concert

It just can't be in Central Park within sight of the General Sherman statue. ;)

eric

06-21-2011, 08:44 AM

It just can't be in Central Park within sight of the General Sherman statue. ;)

hahaa yeah us new yorkers, we love to brag. i try to keep it to a minimum on this website though.

A Chesney show in NYC? hmm more likely u would see a monument of Babe Ruth or Lou Gherig than General Sherman. not this summer though, hes only playing New Jersey (Giants Stadium). in fact Ticketmaster keeps trying to brainwash ME into that one with fancy computer tricks.

The Cat is coming to Central Park though! i wonder what she would do to me if i asked her for a picture in front of the Sherman statue. It's located pretty close to the Emergency Room, so at least i would have a chance for survival

kcortez

06-21-2011, 09:49 AM

Sherman's March A Film by Ross McElwee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnohMWYXeZ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLXr2tShGE

Karen_J

06-21-2011, 01:19 PM

hahaa yeah us new yorkers, we love to brag.

Even about war crimes? You know that in modern times, Sherman would go to prison for the rest of his life. No statues.

The Cat is coming to Central Park though! i wonder what she would do to me if i asked her for a picture in front of the Sherman statue.

Emergency room doctor: "Interesting...I've never had to surgically remove an electric bass from there before."

Like most conversations about The Cat, this one reminds me of one of my old college friends, who was born in Atlanta but grew up mostly in Charlotte. She isn't a musician but she looks like Cat and has a very similar cool, but edgy sense of humor. They are so much alike that I called her up a few months ago and asked if she has any cousins with the last name Popper. She doesn't remember ever knowing anyone with that name, so I guess it must just be something in the water down in Charlotte. Or maybe it's the Cheerwine.

She would definitely help Cat beat you up.

eric

06-21-2011, 01:49 PM

its all fun and games here at www.gracepotter.com untill some yuppie new yorker enrolls in art school and goes film festival on us via utube. thanks Cortez. if that's not art, i don't know what is. this thread feels like a Dead show that just went from scarlet begonias to black peter. "this is awesome...i think"

seriously though some heavy comments there in the videos! wow i guess some of us are still fighting the civil war. eye opener.

and just to bring this thread full circle, since it has gotten as far off topic as my house is from red rocks...u know a while back, i started noticing a little bit of confusion in the media as far as where Grace Potter is from. At least 3-4 times i have read or HEARD ANNOUNCED (live!) that Grace is from Nashville! of course we all know she is from VT. I have personally corrected media more than once. so confusing. how can they screw that up? "Catherine the bass player is the southern belle, not Grace! she's our girl from the northcountry!" i have sent that email more than once...i could never understand where the confusion started or why...DUH...guilty by association, i guess

"One more night could kill me baby"

eric

06-21-2011, 02:05 PM

Even about war crimes?

...She would definitely help Cat beat you up.

Karen-I know what u know about the statue. probably less. it was a long time ago :)

and Cat im pretty sure could easily serve me up without anyone's help. Tell me more about her twin though, now u have got my attention!

Xaphan

06-21-2011, 04:44 PM

Where is Grace's New England accent? I can't recall ever hearing her say "wicked".

Snowbird

06-21-2011, 05:00 PM

Where is Grace's New England accent? I can't recall ever hearing her say "wicked".

Wicked? As in wicked good or wicked bad? I've lived in New England for most of my life and I think residents of MA might have the rights to that slang term. It's not nearly as common in VT as you might think.

This by the way has been a very interesting thread.

Interesting is always good.

Karen_J

06-21-2011, 05:21 PM

wow i guess some of us are still fighting the civil war. eye opener.

I thought that obsession pretty much died with my grandfather's generation. I rarely hear anybody bring up the subject anymore, but I do think most young Southerners have heard the basic facts about Sherman, especially those who live close enough to Altanta to visit now and then. We know that most Northerners are nothing like him. His statue was the only thing I've ever seen in NYC that really bugged me. None of the major TV networks ever show it or mention it, even though it is in a prominent location, and near CBS.

At least 3-4 times i have read or HEARD ANNOUNCED (live!) that Grace is from Nashville!

Who the hell is spreading this crap? It certainly didn't start with the Today Show. They didn't give any background information. Can these news people not understand how to use Google? Could they be getting Grace confused with Alison Krauss? There is a slight resemblance.

Tell me more about her twin though, now u have got my attention!

For me, reading Cat's Twitter posts is kind of like having one of those weird fantasy dreams where somebody you know extremely well is doing something completely out of character, like playing bass in a rock band. I think that's one of several reasons why Cat is so fascinating to me. If Cat wanted to disappear to a tropical island for a while to chill out, my friend (named Allison) could write her Twitter posts and we would never notice a difference. I always thought she should have gone into comedy professionally. They both could do it.

I keep trying to think of a way they might have known each other at some time and not remember it, but I don't really think it's possible. There is just enough of an age difference that they would have never been at the same school at the same time, and Allison never attended Myers Park Elementary. That's in the nicest and most expensive old neighborhood in Charlotte. Her parents didn't have that kind of money. They may have gone to the same middle school, with Allison leaving just before Cat arrived.

Most guys who remember Allison from college would probably describe her as the girl they most wanted to dance with at parties, but they were afraid to approach her. Does that sound like Cat to you?

Never mind what's in the water in Charlotte. Maybe we should all be drinking Vermont maple syrup by the bottle. Maybe that would give me a 4-octave vocal range, and I could quit my day job. ;)

kcortez

06-21-2011, 08:46 PM

toofarnorth

06-21-2011, 09:52 PM

Wicked? As in wicked good or wicked bad? I've lived in New England for most of my life and I think residents of MA might have the rights to that slang term. It's not nearly as common in VT as you might think.
A lot of Mainers will tell you 'wicked' is one of the colloquialisms that originated in fishing villages of our coast. Don't see any problem sharing the credit with Massachusetts though, especially since Maine was once part of the Commonwealth and it could easily have migrated north.

It's very common in the southern and Down East areas of Maine, but is also used up here in the north. I've probably dropped it into a post or two without even thinking about it seeming strange to people in other parts of the country.

If anyone still isn't sure about this use of the word . . 'wicked' is simply a word enhancer . . very cool - becomes wicked cool . . seriously hot - wicked hot . . . or how about this thread is wicked entertaining :D

Xaphan

06-22-2011, 02:06 AM

Thanks TFN for the clarification on "wicked". When Delta merged with Northeast airlines back in 1972, I was sent on temporary duty to the NE to help integrate NE's baggage service (they had none). I was working with a guy from "Baaaahr Haaaaabar" and a Delta guy from "Norls" (New Orleans). Most of the time I translated. The Delta guy ws using terms like "over yonder" and "pardner", while the NE guy was always talking about where to "paaaark the caaaaahr". We finally decided we needed too fly from "Baaaaarh Haaaaabhr" to "Lovul" (Louisville) and on to "Norls" to really get to know each other.

My favorite use of "wicked" was after an intense love making session, my partner said it was "wicked", which left me wondering which way. In the South, the word "Hey" is used like "Aloha". It can mean hello or goodbye.

Xaphan

06-22-2011, 02:26 AM

BTW on Sherman... Before he burned Atlanta, he told the city fathers they had one day to evacuate the city. They pleaded with him for more time, but he refused. "After the war is over, come to me with any request and I will do all in my power to see it is granted, but not now. War, like the thunderbolt, spares neither the old, the innocent, the beautiful, nor the young in its path." I am quoting from memory, but that is pretty close. Sherman was teaching at the forerunner to LSU when the war began. He was no abolitionist, but he did believe in the Union. He was relieved of command as the second military commander of Louisville when he began screaming for additional troops. Only the personal intervention of Lincoln, brought on by a heartfelt letter from Sherman's wife, saved his career. He had red hair and piercing blue eyes, and in his faded blue uniform may have looked demonic. He was sent west (to western Kentucky to meet with Grant), and these two failed men forged an alliance that destroyed the South. His troops on his March to the Sea were mostly young (19-21 years old) Mid-Westerners, who loved him and called him "Uncle Billy" to his face. He cut a path of destruction through Georgia that was 300 miles long and 60 miles wide. His army was cut off from supplies, and had to get them on the march. Even Lincoln had no control as to where he went. Sherman made it to Savannah, and then tore into South Carolina, the birthplace oif Secession. "When I heard they were making 20 miles a day through swamps," his Confederate opponent said " I knew of no army since Julius Caesar's that could do as well." Sherman's peace terms to the Confederates were so generous, that Congress wouldn't support them.

Sherman was adopted by a catholic family even though he never accepted the religion, his son became a Jesuit priest. Sherman was called "Cump" by his friends for his middle name of "Tecumseh", the name of the greatest Indian who ever fought us.

eric

06-22-2011, 09:13 AM

Wait a minute here. Ross Mcelwee is from North Carolina. I am from Ohio/Kentucky . . . who you calling a yuppie new yorker?

i guess that is my bad humor but it has got to be ok to make fun of your own state right? i was talking about the narrator, he says "i went back to NY and Boston where i live" in the film. and the utube name is "...films nyc." i just though it was a deep vid. art, like i said.

and any NYer will tell u "wicked" is what people in Mass/Maine/VT say! (mostly Mass cause thats where the most people are of the 3!) I think the saying goes back to the Salem Witch Trials, but i might be wrong. The fishermen probably did start using it that way just like 2FN said. and that was probably many years after the Witch Tirals. wicked=very...ie: "seems like every time I go to Boston my caaahr is paaahrked wicked faaaahr from the baaahr"

Karen

06-22-2011, 11:30 AM

Nice history lesson Xaphan - Sherman's history that is.

kcortez

06-22-2011, 11:32 AM

A little author named F Scott Fitzgerald is credited with using "wicked" in it's currently understand, New England incarnation in his book "This Side of Paradise"

“Phoebe and I are going to shake a wicked calf” [dance impressively].

In fact, if you know me, you'll recall how often I say "let's shake a wicked calf" at GPN concerts. You'll also recall the weird looks I get which are wicked awesome.

Karen_J

06-22-2011, 11:40 AM

BTW on Sherman... He was sent west (to western Kentucky to meet with Grant), and these two failed men forged an alliance

I wasn't going to go any further out on this tangent, but I have to respond to that. Grant was nothing at all like Sherman. The city of Natchez, Mississippi is the ultimate garden spot of Old South charm today because General Grant was morally opposed to destroying things that had no military value. If you visit Natchez, anybody there can tell you what a great job Grant did of preserving the town when he and his men occupied it. Without sinking anywhere near Sherman's level of cruelty, Grant managed to ultimately end the war at Appomattox and get elected to two terms as President of the United States, while Sherman sat at home on the porch and wrote his memoirs. I don't have any problem with anything that Grant did, even though he was on the other side. He did his duty.

The Geneva Convention, various UN resolutions, and other modern international laws on warfare read like a point-by-point rebuttal of Sherman's philosophy of total war.

With that, I hope you'll agree that enough has been said on this subject here. After the passage of more than 145 years since the war, it's time to move on to other things. All the survivors from both sides have died. It's all a done deal. If you want to discuss some aspect of it with me further, feel free to send me a private message, so we can stop bothering people who have no interest.

Personally, I wish that all these controversial Civil War statues and monuments in prominent places could be relocated to less conspicuous locations where they would stir up less controversy among people who have plenty of current, serious world problems on their minds. I prefer statues like the gold plated classic piece at the ice skating rink at Rockefeller Center, within sight of the Today Show studio. It is beautiful and offends no one, as far as I know.

Karen

06-22-2011, 11:54 AM

Santayana said, “. . . . only the dead have seen the end of war.”

There’s nothing wrong with dwelling on man’s inhumanity to man from time to time, especially if it moves us to become more humane.

Trish

06-22-2011, 11:55 AM

I'd like to see them put a statue of Grace Potter and the Nocturnals in Central Park. Just sayin'. :cool:

eric

06-22-2011, 12:00 PM

I prefer statues like the gold plated classic piece at the ice skating rink at Rockefeller Center, within sight of the Today Show studio. It is beautiful and offends no one, as far as I know.

Karen-U can own your own mini Prometheus statue right here!

http://www.shiningcollection.com/prometheus.html

Saygracenow

06-22-2011, 12:00 PM

I'd like to see them put a statue of Grace Potter and the Nocturnals in Central Park. Just sayin'. :cool:

OK. Now I'm starting to get worried about you! LMFAO!

Karen_J

06-22-2011, 12:37 PM

There’s nothing wrong with dwelling on man’s inhumanity to man from time to time, especially if it moves us to become more humane.

I get your point, and I agree. There is nothing wrong with being made aware of General Sherman, as long as we all know the truth about what he did to his fellow Americans. (If he didn't believe we were fellow Americans, then he was fighting for the wrong side.) I just don't want to see him celebrated as some kind of great person and role model.

Okay, let's go ahead and state the obvious, that my ancestors were on the wrong side of a very stupid war; but hey, they didn't jump into a time machine and ask my opinions about any of it, so it isn't my fault. My first comment to them about slavery would be, WTF ARE YOU THINKING?!?!? HAVE YOU COMPLETELY LOST YOUR MINDS??? For their sake, I hope it looked like a much better idea back then than it does now. But I doubt it.

I'd like to see them put a statue of Grace Potter and the Nocturnals in Central Park. Just sayin'. :cool:

If they could somehow avoid arrest, it would be fun to see a pic of Grace and Cat doing inappropriate things to General Sherman. :D I'd bet he has never been in a threesome.

Any kind of GPN statue is going to be rough for Matt. The pigeons are going to want to perch on his drumsticks.

Karen-U can own your own mini Prometheus statue right here!

I learned something new today! You got me to google Prometheus.

Xaphan

06-22-2011, 01:30 PM

I'll send you a PM as soon as I am able, Karen. I can only type for short periods of time.

"Wicked" comes from the Old English form of "Wise" or "Wisdom" from which we get today's "Wiccan". I used to be a HP of Wicca.

Has anyone else drawn parallels with Prometheus and Lucifer? "Lucifer" in Latin means "Light Bringer", and what he brought was not sin, but the key to forbidden knowledge for which he and several other of the Fallen (including my namesake Xaphan) were exiled to either Hell or Earth, depending on the view.

HeathO96001

06-22-2011, 01:37 PM

I'd like to see them put a statue of Grace Potter and the Nocturnals in Central Park. Just sayin'. :cool:Great idea! :D

coronitagirl

06-22-2011, 04:27 PM

Totally new to this site and to Grace Potter....I'm a long time, die hard Chesney Fan so I was at the Today Show! Didn't know she was going to be there till she stepped out of the suv limo right in front of us...WHAT A SURPRISE!!!!! We LOVE HER!!!!!!!! What an awesome person, and singer..LOVE LOVE LOVE listening to her music. I noticed shes coming to Danbury CT!!!!

Snowbird

06-22-2011, 04:51 PM

coronitagirl

06-22-2011, 05:02 PM

Welcome to our forums Coronitagirl - you stepped into a very interesting and spirited thread here!

Love to hear of a crossover fan for GPN from the Tequila duet with Chesney! And thrilled to hear you say you love listening to the music of GPN as well. Grace and the Nocs will indeed be in Danbury - get yourself some tickets - I'll be there along with a bunch of others from this site!

Thanks for posting and maybe we'll see you in Danbury!

ahahahaha this sure is interesting :) Thanks for the welcome!!! I know I'm not the only Chesney fan checking out GPN....theres tons of us!!!! We're gonna check into the CT show...have to see...We're leaving for FLA the next day :)

Xaphan

06-22-2011, 06:21 PM

Hi there coronitagirl, and welcome! If you can make it to the concert GO! You have got to see this band live.

Karen_J

06-22-2011, 07:07 PM

Totally new to this site

Welcome! :) You're jumping into a really crazy thread. In case you are wondering, we don't usually drift this far off topic. :D

coronitagirl

06-22-2011, 09:16 PM

Hi there coronitagirl, and welcome! If you can make it to the concert GO! You have got to see this band live.

Thanks....gonna try to go !!!!!

coronitagirl

06-22-2011, 09:23 PM

Welcome! :) You're jumping into a really crazy thread. In case you are wondering, we don't usually drift this far off topic. :D

ahahha ya I read a few of the earlier post....interesting ahhahaha I'm on the KCFC forum all the time and see the same thing...people drift off topic here and there..I just go with the flow :) They have a new thing over there this year EVERY month or two they poof the ENTIRE forum...yep everything GONE...I'm thinking cause they've had some "forum drama" at times so to poof some topics is good but some are continuing, like tic sales, tailgate meet ups and they should stay but NOPE ...gone .... But all in all I think the forums a great place :)

Tedheadone

06-22-2011, 09:30 PM

You got me to google Prometheus.

It was bound to happen.

signed,

Tek

kcortez

06-22-2011, 09:35 PM

It was bound to happen.

+1 . . .

rte100expat

06-22-2011, 10:56 PM

http://youtu.be/fBXjcdFjO-4

Where is Grace's New England accent? I can't recall ever hearing her say "wicked".

third part of a nice little series.

Doc Zinger

06-22-2011, 11:21 PM

It's drifting toward the left coast......as long as someone else brought up the Civil War...might as well add about 2 1/1 cents worth. I was one who thought I knew something about part of what went on but as more information was explored found out I didn't really know jack so to speak. I think I have alot of company in this reguard.

Got interested in Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, the so called hero of the Second Day at Gettysburg, from the film " Gettysburg " He was cited as the greatest citizen solder the North produced in the war, he was a civilian non military proffessional before the war(college professor) and became on of the best generals by war's end and returned to civilian life after the war and became 4 time governor of Maine. Got a hold of a great biography by Alice Turlock " In the Hands of Providence" (University of North Carolina Press, no less) After reading this I wondered if there was a person the South produced out of the war that had paralels to Chamberlain's life.

The only person close to this was General Nathan Bedford Forrest, a non military professional pre war, a great military success during the war, and had a career of some notoriety after the war. Read a good biography by Jack Hurst, " Nathan Bedford Forrest."

It seemed these two men were both products of their time and location and their character was consistant pre, during, and post war. These books and a few others opened me up to a new look at the war and its' effect on our nation, never hurts to try to see other views.

Guess my point is maybe to read a good book , or any book, between a GPN show, video, or recording we all need a little more knowledge of our great world.

Xaphan

06-22-2011, 11:46 PM

We do indeed Doc. NB Forrest was called by Grant as "the best general on either side". You also might want to check out Patrick Cleburne who was a non-professional soldier. He sent a letter to J Davis suggesting the South free its slaves and enlist them. Davis never promoted him again. Cleburne was killed leading his troops at Franklin, ordered by the stupid JB Hood.

The book that got me into the Civil War was Michael Shaara's The Killer Angels, upon which the movie Gettysburg was based.

Karen_J

06-23-2011, 08:55 AM

http://youtu.be/fBXjcdFjO-4

third part of a nice little series.

I love it! It's so rare to get to hear Grace talk about Vermont, and real life. I'll watch the other two parts soon.

Who filmed this, and for what purpose?

the film " Gettysburg "

I've seen it at least 12 times. Fantastic movie, but it got terrible reviews. It did a wonderful job of bringing to life a diverse collection of interesting historical characters, and a set of values that is now mostly foreign to America.

General Nathan Bedford Forrest

Founder and first Grand Dragon of the KKK. Pure evil.

Xaphan

06-23-2011, 09:28 AM

I so agree Karen. Another great film that no one saw when released was Ang Lee's "Ride With The Devil", which is about the Confederate guerrillas in Missouri, and includes Quantrill's destruction of Lawrence, Kansas. It one of the first movies to show Jonathan Rhys Meyers, who plays a psychotic with more than a touch of fey, similar to our local guerrilla, M Jerome Clark, aka "Sue Mundy".

Trust me, you have got to see this movie!

One other quick point about the border states. Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Delaware were all slave holding states that stayed loyal to the Union. The Emancipation Proclamation did not apply in these states since they were not "...in open rebellion". Both Lincoln and Jeff Davis were born in Kentucky. Here it was "brother against brother" big time.

Tedheadone

06-23-2011, 09:35 AM

Who'da thunk an innocent post about the Today Show would end up in a Civil War discourse?

I'm a Civil War buff myself....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTyuRd9zSg

eric

06-23-2011, 09:50 AM

im with Tedheadone. and nice jacket Axl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoDKldosXk

Snowbird

06-23-2011, 09:51 AM

TH1 - nice vid response. I'm likin' it!

Karen

06-23-2011, 10:26 AM

Me too Civil Wars Th1. Here is their answer to You & Tequila. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQZuI2zPdhY

Snowbird

06-23-2011, 10:36 AM

Clever Karen - I did click on a few of the Civil Wars music vids after TH1 so kindly pointed me in that direction, and did find Poison and Wine - but you connected that right back to GPN before I did.

It never ceases to amaze me on how many excellent musicians are out there trying to spread their music out to us all, yet on all our commercial radio waves and media all you hear are the same old, boring or completely un-listenable stuff.

I guess music is a little like politics, isn't it? For the most part, the really quality talent is either too smart to enter the machine or works hard in the background doing their own thing under the radar . . .

Xaphan

06-23-2011, 10:54 AM

I have about worn out my CW cd. I love this stuff! I especially like "Barton Hollow" since it is like a counterpoint to GPN's "Nothing But the Water'. In the CW song, the speaker is doomed, no matter how much water covers him. I so think this song should be the theme song for FX's Justified. This isn't just about Alabama, but Appalacia as well. It is a green land of Celtic blood feuds, ala Hatfields and McCoys.

Karen_J

06-23-2011, 11:14 AM

Who'da thunk an innocent post about the Today Show would end up in a Civil War discourse?

Blame it on me. Or on Central Park. Or on the fact that GPN is a band fronted by two women, one from the North and one from the South.

My grandparents were also sexists, so they would have found GPN to be wrong on multiple levels. :rolleyes:

Reading about history makes me feel really good about the present. We have made a huge amount of progress in the last few generations. I try not to forget where we came from. In many ways, these are the good ol' days.

eric

06-23-2011, 12:03 PM

Blame it on me. Or on Central Park. Or on the fact that GPN is a band fronted by two women, one from the North and one from the South.

blame it on Cortez! he is the one that started this whole website.

and Karen your idea about the Grace-Cat-General Sherman statue threesome is genius! Trust me those 2 can get away with a lot more than that in NYC and not get arrested! i bet they would do it too, if the perfect storm presented itself. There is really no telling what Catherine would do to that statue, in joking around or otherwise in completely serious order. dam it would be priceless to find out though

kcortez

06-23-2011, 01:03 PM

Just look what she did to the last stately southern gentlemen we know.

http://www.thisissomewhere.com/images/tonyrice.jpg

Karen_J

06-23-2011, 01:25 PM

There is really no telling what Catherine would do to that statue

:) :D :o ;) My head is about to explode with possibilities!

Icing on the cake: live commentary on the event by Al Roker.

eric

06-23-2011, 02:25 PM

Icing on the cake: live commentary on the event by Al Roker.

it can be arranged;)

Karen_J

06-23-2011, 04:03 PM

I'm on the KCFC forum all the time...They have a new thing over there this year EVERY month or two they poof the ENTIRE forum...yep everything GONE...

No shoes, no shirt, no threads, no postcount, no problem.

Xaphan

06-23-2011, 04:39 PM

My generation, the Boomers, have lived through a social revolution on so many levels.

DHBucker

06-24-2011, 08:41 AM

Wait a minute here. Ross Mcelwee is from North Carolina. I am from Ohio/Kentucky . . . who you calling a yuppie new yorker?

I was told recently that Kentucky is a "midwestern state".........I was like "oh really now? And how can that be when we consider macaroni and chesse to be a vegetable...." :cool: :DPlus, I don't think they say y'all in Chicago like it's said on and below the Mason-Dixon line

DHBucker

06-24-2011, 08:48 AM

http://youtu.be/fBXjcdFjO-4

third part of a nice little series.

Thanks for the link! I watched all three parts and Grace driving a pick up and showing her dad's sign shop was so cool. Superstardom is coming to her and I hope she keeps that down to earth realness she has. She really is like the girl next door in a lot of was only way more intriguing. I turned someone onto Big White Gate the other day that had no idea who GPN is and their reaction to the song was "wow! that is so powerful." Then to see Grace in such candid moments just shows what she brings to music and to people. Good on ya rte100expat! Thankee!

rte100expat

06-26-2011, 09:27 PM

Thanks for the link! I watched all three parts and Grace driving a pick up and showing her dad's sign shop was so cool. Superstardom is coming to her and I hope she keeps that down to earth realness she has. She really is like the girl next door in a lot of was only way more intriguing. I turned someone onto Big White Gate the other day that had no idea who GPN is and their reaction to the song was "wow! that is so powerful." Then to see Grace in such candid moments just shows what she brings to music and to people. Good on ya rte100expat! Thankee!

ahhh, yer welcome!:o