New Video!!

[Wally C]

Nate just posted the link above in Announcements for the Paris video. Great way to start my Monday!!

Only hope they can get this on real TV..........would definitely get the attention of another segment of the market! OOO LALA........f--ing right!!:cool:

[carla_k_bailey]

Do they even have tv channels that play music videos these days?

[HeathO96001]

I love the new video! :D

[toofarnorth]

Frontloader.com is one of my favorite go-to places for a mix of music and the odd story served with up with humor . . he rarely fails to make me smile at least once during the day.
His post for the new Paris video will probably be one of the more original ones. . .

" But Potter wouldn’t get thrown into the Rancor pit… no, she wouldn’t. " (http://www.thefrontloader.com/2010/07/19/grace-potter-the-nocturnals-paris-ooh-la-la-music-video/)


Music From Go to Whoa (http://www.fromgotowhoa.com/grace-potter-premieres-video-on-hulu/) gets my vote for best one line review - perfect actually . . .

" . . as if it was performed at the Moulin Rouge "




My own 2 cents . . the video is pure fun . . like the way it was shot . . think it should generate a lot of buzz.

[Saygracenow]

Just a short time ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3gyqVsAGV0

What a wonderful ride it has been. Love the video but I also remember when.

[toofarnorth]

SGN . . . I love the School of Rock and all of the moments like it and have a soft spot for most of the older songs . . but also enjoy the new music and have added new favorites to that list.

Guess I don't think in terms of past /now .. either/or . . to me the new album is more like an expansion of their musical arsenal . . additions to the smorgasbord of songs they already share with us . . if you'll pardon the corny metaphors.
Grace and the band are extremely versatile and seem savvy about what will work in different situations. Gumbo Moon reappeared recently . . seems like the fact that they are bringing out older songs ought to tell us that they haven't forgotten the past either.


I don't think this is true for you SGN, but I expect some of the people who read here will roll their eyes at the mention of John Meyer simply because he is a major pop star. However he is also a good example of someone who successfully straddles different segments of the music world. Personality quirks and Top 40 radio friendly hits aside . . the man is one hell of a blues guitarist who plays with living legends like Buddy Guy and BB King . . his John Meyer Trio just played at Clapton's Crossroads festival. Anyone who isn't familiar with that side of JM's talent should spend a little time looking at videos on YT. Gravity makes a good comparison song. It was one of Meyer's big 'pop' hits. The Top 40 version is meh for me, but imho the John Meyer Trio version is pure gold.

Point of that side trip is that I don't see why GPN can't have it both ways too . . Top 40 popularity and still play the kind of music some seem to think has now disappeared.
( btw . . those people need to go visit archive.org and listen to the recent live shows )

[eric]

the Paris vid is beyond ridiculous. yes, in a good way! i knew i was onto something when i first heard that song (live on the street outside of grand central station), and POW-there it is! wow, thank you GPN. i didnt think i could like the band any more than i did, but again they have proved me wrong. whoever came up w that is a genius. ohh la la!

[toofarnorth]

Love the comment on JamBase.com (http://www.jambase.com/Articles/Story.aspx?StoryID=23466) . . seems the "Moulin Rouge" is a club in LA.

"Paris (Oh Oh La La)" is like "Lady Marmalade" with a hard rock infusion, .....

[eric]

the video is out of control as is the summer tour.

they r leaving a trail of wreckage in their path as they continue to repeatedly criss-cross the continent by bus, plane, rental car...you tube......any means necassary to play and perform live shows. seem like they have gotten used to saying the word "yes" a whole lot. the last thing this band needed was the paris vid but 2 be honest its probably the first thing the rest of the world needed. someone wrote on another thread something about "lose some time" ...how bout "lose some time zones" the way this band is touring...grace said it perfectly (shoker, i know) "officially gone bat shit crazy" ...its ok, we know grace, it's the GOOD bat shit crazy.

i cannot even imagine how good the band will sound into the fall after some long overdue rest that appears to possibly be coming their way in aug-sept range? at lest a couple weeks off i hope, and i hope Grace wont get bogged down w bs during that time as well

i think we may see some other alt/country rock female artists scale things back or take some time off during the next year or two. even some of the younger ones, dont be suprised at all. Grace can't cool down until shes done heating up! could be a while

[Snowbird]

grace can't cool down until shes done heating up! Could be a while

well said.

[Tekawitha]

sounds a bit like a volcano!

[eric]

u mean like the volcano that erupted in my face on 7-5-2010??? i think u pretty much nailed it tekawitha.

grace potter=molten lava

[Dollar]

After watching the video, I'm somewhat disappointed that it seems to be selling sex NOT the music. I fully understand where the marketing aspect is taking GPN but I remember listening to an interview w/Grace some years ago where she described herself as a "child of the '70's", growing up listening to her parents' music which had a huge influence on the type of music she wrote & sang. I can't blindly say "boy Grace is hot" or "this video is smokin'" when the reality in my eyes is that it cheapens what I've come to respect from this band. Scantily clad bimbos dancing around and Grace on her knees next to Scott's leg during his guitar solo may sell new fans on this hot "new" band but for me,I'm waiting for that "child of the '70's" to trust her most valuable instruments,her voice & her band,and try to come to a happy medium to appease management while still not forgetting that the music is the most important part of what makes GPN.....GPN!

[Wally C]

Hey Dollar, sorry your so bummed out. But what you are looking for usually can be found during any live performance. It usually contains all the elements you are looking for and those that you disdain.

Lets face it......sex sells products and broadens the fan base. Thats the nature of business, music or any business. I think Grace is using all the assets she and the band have to the best of their ability to further their success.

If you ever met her and had a private conversation with her, you'd know that she'll always be the girl from Vermont, the "child of the 70's"......but she's also a pretty shrewed person who knows what she wants and has a plan of how she's going to get it. I dont think she does anything without evaluateing the possible affects of her or the bands actions.

Her mouth may sometimes be a bit unfiltered but I believe she is in total control of her actions.

The band is not going to be young forever, so let them enjoy this bit of sexual marketing while they can.

My humble opinion on the video......hot and tastefully done.

BTW: Showed the video to a friend who really didnt know too much about the band....His reaction "Wow, she's hot, she can sing and the band's pretty good too! So these are the guys you've been talking about??? Now I know why!"

That kind of reaction sells CD's and tickets.

[Dollar]

Hey Dollar, sorry your so bummed out. But what you are looking for usually can be found during any live performance. It usually contains all the elements you are looking for and those that you disdain.

Lets face it......sex sells products and broadens the fan base. Thats the nature of business, music or any business. I think Grace is using all the assets she and the band have to the best of their ability to further their success.

If you ever met her and had a private conversation with her, you'd know that she'll always be the girl from Vermont, the "child of the 70's"......but she's also a pretty shrewed person who knows what she wants and has a plan of how she's going to get it. I dont think she does anything without evaluateing the possible affects of her or the bands actions.

Her mouth may sometimes be a bit unfiltered but I believe she is in total control of her actions.

The band is not going to be young forever, so let them enjoy this bit of sexual marketing while they can.

My humble opinion on the video......hot and tastefully done.

BTW: Showed the video to a friend who really didnt know too much about the band....His reaction "Wow, she's hot, she can sing and the band's pretty good too! So these are the guys you've been talking about??? Now I know why!"

That kind of reaction sells CD's and tickets.

Wally, I certainly understand that "striking while the iron is hot" is how marketing in the 21st Century is done. I also understand that sex is a huge component of that "striking"! That being said,this video didn't strike me as the band using sex as a component for selling themselves to new fans but rather as sex being THE component in a video which I found to be crass & trashy. You & I both know Paris is not a new song (and GPN has introduced different variations over the years) yet when I've read the social media responses over the past few days,the general response from the "new converts" is damn is Grace hot,the video is hot & as an afterthought,oh yeah,she's got a great voice.

I've been on board for awhile & it is the live aspect that first drew me in. Perfomers who can take their music to another level live are the kind I've always gravitated to (which is why this Jersey guy has seen his favorite live performer,Bruce Springsteen,over 160 times!)! Grace has that special ability to do just that. I respect the fact that,for the most part,GPN has done it the old fashioned way.......playing live gig after live gig after live gig and has been doing so for a long time (even though RS tabbed them a best "new"band of 2010..lol)!

I think the only thing I disagree with you on is that Grace is making all the decisions herself. I don't think she has that type of cache right now to dictate to the powers to be how they are going to be presented & how they are marketed. Does she have imput,sure but ultimately money makes the decisions & GPN has not yet achieved that kind of financial independence to do that.

Finally, I understand the massive changes that have taken place in the past year & I haven't abandoned ship. As a matter of fact,I've tried to turn many of my students on to GPN (I'm a HS History teacher) & actually have converted some of them..lol! As I said in my last sentence, I'm just hoping there will be a happy medium reached because the most powerful instruments they have are the music & Grace's amazing voice & when all the hype ends, it will be the fans who respect those instruments that will still be along, for what I hope, is a very long ride!

[Wally C]

I think the only thing I disagree with you on is that Grace is making all the decisions herself. I don't think she has that type of cache right now to dictate to the powers to be how they are going to be presented & how they are marketed. Does she have imput,sure but ultimately money makes the decisions & GPN has not yet achieved that kind of financial independence to do that

This is the kind of back-and-forth that Mojo and Nate had in mind for this board so I'm glad to be part of the delivery!!

All good points by Dollar but, I must tell you, Grace along with the band's imput, makes the decisions. She has a very strong personality and just doesnt do things "because the suits say so". Far from it!! She will tell you where to go and how to get there if she doesnt think the idea will fly and you keep pushing her. Case in point: T-bone project. You don't think that took some balls to do??? It wasn't the suits that suggested the change in that plan!! She made T Bone's record but its on the shelf. That's a project funded with someone's $ (label) and probably a lot of $ that is seeing no return on investment. The label may eventually make money on this, but this is really the exception and not the rule in the music business. Who do you think convinced the suits? She liked the result but she wanted a GPN album not a Grace album.

You'll get a hint of this from the following exerpt from the June 3, 2010 interview in the Burlington Free Press:

GP: "It was, and it is, I mean, it is a record, you know, and the thing with that is, again, the nature of it being considered a solo project is not a misperception. It is what it is. If the Nocturnals had been less supportive, and I think that if Scott and Matt as founding members with me felt like,

[Tekawitha]

Dollar - you can close your eyes and just listen to the audio on the video. This said not as a smart___, but helpfully.
[BTW - I was raised in the Garden State and what gardens we had!]

I love that Grace is hot - she always was....I've seen less clothing on women at the beach than on the dancers in the video and at a recent dance recital, a friend's daughter bought the studio, there were more hot moves than on the video.
I liken the "looks" part of the band to the metamorphosis of a butterfly - intrinsically always a butterfly but the appearance changes...
might be too simple an analogy but it works for me...

[Dollar]

This is the kind of back-and-forth that Mojo and Nate had in mind for this board so I'm glad to be part of the delivery!!

All good points by Dollar but, I must tell you, Grace along with the band's imput, makes the decisions. She has a very strong personality and just doesnt do things "because the suits say so". Far from it!! She will tell you where to go and how to get there if she doesnt think the idea will fly and you keep pushing her. Case in point: T-bone project. You don't think that took some balls to do??? It wasn't the suits that suggested the change in that plan!! She made T Bone's record but its on the shelf. That's a project funded with someone's $ (label) and probably a lot of $ that is seeing no return on investment. The label may eventually make money on this, but this is really the exception and not the rule in the music business. Who do you think convinced the suits? She liked the result but she wanted a GPN album not a Grace album.

You'll get a hint of this from the following exerpt from the June 3, 2010 interview in the Burlington Free Press:

GP: "It was, and it is, I mean, it is a record, you know, and the thing with that is, again, the nature of it being considered a solo project is not a misperception. It is what it is. If the Nocturnals had been less supportive, and I think that if Scott and Matt as founding members with me felt like, “OK, all of our visions are sort of going separate ways,” then I probably would have just done that (album), and it probably would have made sense to. It was only in the energy and the sort of youth and the madness that was the beginning of our summer tour that made me realize that, A) people were noticing because obviously the label (Hollywood Records) was really excited after the (Nocturnals’) Bonnaroo (festival) footage, but B) that I spent seven years trying to establish us as a band; what a stupid thing to turn around and let that go in the one record that could be the breakthrough record. Why would I do that? That’s really so selfish of me, and I can’t do that, I can’t do that to the people I care about who have made me the musician that I am."



She is diplomatic, I'm sure when dealing with the suits, but there is no way she's gonna just do something just because its Disney.......and thats one trait I really like about her. In fact, it really makes me respect her as a sound, fair, and caring human being. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when they had the discussion about shelving the TBone album. I'm sure I would have seen a very passionate lady lobbying for something she truely believed in.

Wally, Publicly, I'm sure Grace tries to say & do all the right things. But first, the T-Bone project was her choice,she's the one that went through with it,talked about it, pseudo-promoted it & then dropped it. I remember on the old board there was universal opinion that Grace was putting herself first & this was the beginning of the end of the band as we knew it. Then,just as suddenly,the T-Bone sessions were shelved because "it wasn't about the band". If Grace is as calculating as you say she is,wouldn't she have known there would be a huge fallout from her decision? Did she consider the feelings of her bandmates knowing she would be working with studio musicians? Seems to me that the naivety of someone who is young emerged & she had to have outside advice about the ramifications of recording with T-Bone.

Then there is the "I can't do that to the people I care about who have made me the musician that I am"! How does that apply to Bryan Dondero? Wasn't he one of the people who helped make her the musician that she is? I read & printed out Bryan's blog response(before he was forced to remove it) to being dropped by Grace from the band. He was hurt,shocked & certainly angry. He had invested the same time in GPN that Grace,Scott & Matt had only to be kicked to the curb. Now the addition of Cat has certainly changed both the dynamics & image of the band. You may say that was coincidental but being the cynic I am, I believe there was certainly some premeditation involved.

That being said,Grace is the frontperson of GPN & certainly has the right to decide on personnel decisions. I learned a long,long time ago that the world is not Black or White but various shades of Grey & that certainly applies to the issues I addressed above. As a fan, I'm thrilled that masses of people are discovering what we knew years ago about GPN. And,although I may not completely agree with how that objective is being met,I remain a fan of GPN's music.

[Wally C]

Well this could go on and on and be like "The Song That Never Ends"........so........As Stadler and Waldoff (The Muppets) said after the Swedish Chef fired his cannon at them........."WE SURRENDER!"

I think we should close this thread..........Who's going to Nantucket???

[Dollar]

Wally, That's fine if you want to end our discussion but how did we go from "this is the kind of back-and forth that Mojo and Nate had in mind for this board so I'm glad to be part of the delivery!" to "I think we should close this thread" ???

[toofarnorth]

Dollar . . guessing there are a lot of interviews you've missed reading re: the changes in the band line up and the T-Bone project

Tossing my perspective into the mix ...

re: album vs album . . as I've come to understand it from reading every interview/article that has crossed my path.
Per Grace in more than one interview :
the label loved the sound the current band put out at Bonnaroo and wanted to capture it . . that enabled what was turning out to be a solo project* to shift to a full band album . . that sure seems like one hell of a vote of confidence in the new lineup considering the $$ the label had to have eaten by shelving the first record
*( Burnett apparently has a penchant for using his own people to record & seems like it would be hard to fight that with the band in flux as it was during Grace's work with him )

re: lineup change . . Grace has been pretty candid about that as well . . bottom line for me -- bands go through changes in members for any number of reasons - there are Always two sides to any story & unless you are privy to Both directly from the source any conclusion drawn is all speculation and rumor which may be satisfying or fun but ultimately a waste of time

re: Paris video . . it is completely appropriate for the song - not to mention it's pure fun - and seems pretty obvious to me that it is done tongue-in-cheek . . loved the website that likened it to a show at the Moulin Rouge - exactly !

re: music from the late 60s > 70s . . if anyone truly thinks that sex wasn't part of what drove music popularity back then they really need to do a re-think. Could make a very long list of examples but don't have the time or inclination - a very few . . Beatles - do you really think all those girls fainting was about how great the music was ? . . Elvis Presley, Tina Turner, Rolling Stones - nuff said . . not to mention maybe the all time ultimate purveyor of sexy music - Barry White. While lyrics may have been more subtle back then - the message wasn't lost. (still trying to figure out why Cream's White Room kills me every time)
The phrase was/is "sex, drugs, and rock & roll " . . fortunately only two of those apply to what GPN draws from that time period.

Also fortunately for their fans - GPN is incredibly versatile . . don't like one song / performance ? . . there are plenty more to chose from . . I seriously doubt the variety of videos offered on GPN's Hulu channel is a happy accident.

Have yet to find the artist, solo or group, that doesn't have some songs I skip over, but GPN comes the closest.

[Snowbird]

Wally, That's fine if you want to end our discussion but how did we go from "this is the kind of back-and forth that Mojo and Nate had in mind for this board so I'm glad to be part of the delivery!" to "I think we should close this thread" ???

I know Wally just a little bit, and while I might be presuming too much, I know he'll just jump in and tell me so. I believe that he truly meant what he said about the back and forth, but as it was only the two of you at this point on the back and forth - he was saying he had stated his case. I know that in the past Wally has been that last one to want to "close a thread" but I'm thinkin he simply had said all he wanted to say at this point.

I"ve been kind of refraining from commenting on this vid cuz - well - it's not my favorite. I prefer the hotel acoustic vid personally, I thought is was abso-effin-lutely brilliant. But that is just me myself and I voicing an opinion. I can do that and so can you, Dollar as with everyone else here. It's what forums are about.

Having said all that - one of the reason I was also refraining from putting any of my preferences out there on this one is because I am not who is being targeted in this video release.

I'm a Diehard fan and have been for a while now. They don't need to sell, convert, or pull me in from off the street to want to hear their music. Sounds like you are the same, Dollar. Hope to share a live show with you, cuz as we diehards all agree - that is what it's all about.

I guess my question to anyone who is turned off by the video is - If you do really like what this band has been doing for the past eight years or so, knowing that they have not yet achieved the type of musical, monetary and flat out enjoyment of the fruits of their hard labors over time - can you really blame them for trying different marketing of the product to the mainstream. Paris is all about sex as Grace has said in numerous interviews, she loves performing it, and she and the band have performed it in numerous variations over the years.

This IS an ambitious band who DO want to make a name for themselves and the time is now to grab that gold coin. I don't really see this as "sellout" so much as marketing to a broader base. This is what most successful strategists would do, and if you want to call it corporate, well, it's a word, and you can use it as you will.

Do I want to continue seeing this band I've been following for years in small venues and intimate settings -sure!! I also hope that they will remember some of the fun of the great small venues they played and come back to it now and again. And also, down the line, I can imagine Grace getting back to her roots of bluesy ballads - but when you are 27 and have worked this hard to get to the cusp of really making it - I believe you would tap every outlet to make it so.

So in closing - I'll just go on record saying - I love the hotel acoustic version, and while this new video is a fun romp, it's not for me, but again - it's not aimed at my profile - I'd say this will probably be a hit in Europe which is the next territory for this band to conquer - and I wish them well!

[Dollar]

TFN, I would answer that you "guessed" wrong as I've read everything about GPN,particularly the band changes & the T-Bone Sessions. You're right,the public press release was that the new lineup impressed the label & they wanted to capture that sound. Again,perception is in the eye of the beholder & you seem to want to view the glass half full with regards to this article. To me,it seemed like the best way for the band to move forward after a time where band relations were somewhat shaky. How else could you spin a band you're trying to promote?

I agree that unless you're privy to both sources, the truth is hard to come by. But,Bryan's posting was extremely heartfelt & the fact that he was directed to pull it the very next day & not speak about it means that there had to be some truth as to what went down. But as I said to Wally,Grace is the frontperson for GPN & ultimately the decision maker on the composition of the band. I liked the band w/Bryan & I like it now with Cat & Benny.

As far as the video goes,again it's about perception as you find it "pure fun..tongue in cheek" whereas as I find it crass & tacky. Sex has always been a part of R&R but to me,this video is ALL about sex & not about the music. But,I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I appreciate that you feel the need to defend GPN but understand they are one of my favorite bands too.I just don't see the need to put on my rose colored glasses and go with the flow if I personally don't like something a band has done. I understand they are still a young band that hopefully will grow as the years progress. Time & experience do go hand in hand in that growth. As I mentioned to Wally,I've followed Springsteen for 35+ years,watching him grow,making many mistakes over those years before becoming the artist he is today! However,if I have to wait another 35 years for GPN to get there,I'll be 91 & my R&R days might be over!! lol

[Marty DiBergi]

great rock n roll is all about pissing off old people.

[Stot]

great rock n roll is all about pissing off old people.

lol! NOC N ROLL!

[joester]

never one to hold back opinions - here's mine:
I'm in agreement with Snowbird as to the fact that this video was not meant for me as an audience,
but for an entirely new group of folks previously not reached thru other avenues.
also, I really liked all the "unplugged" versions we saw posted on TIS like Paris, Low Road, and especially Goodbye Kiss (on a golf cart? - that was so relaxed and easy to see and listen to).
GPN mixes it up pretty well, and there IS something for everybody, which not a lot of newer bands have that
in them to reach into different arenas of tempo and style.
back to the video - I was more than a bit surprised to see the way it was done - but whatever they want -
it's their band. I saw Jerry Garcia perform nearly 200 times, and there were songs of his that I would take
a potty break for too - you're not going to like everything a band does all the time.
but if a band is strong enough for me to get excited about the gig and fly cross-country to see them play - that's damn well good enough.
I won't question their direction, nor will I question my attraction - it is what it is.
I do know this - it's not just the music that gets us traveling thousands of miles - it's the fans we get to spend time with.
that alone may be more important than anything the band plays or does.

22 days til wheels up!!!

[Snowbird]

great rock n roll is all about pissing off old people.

HaHAAAA -

and what Stot said - NOC N ROLL.

yeah - I'm demigraphically old but young at heart!!!

Joester - see ya sooner - in B-town!

[Dollar]

great rock n roll is all about pissing off old people.

Marty I'm not old just wise....just like the owl from Vermont!!!!

[toofarnorth]

Dollar . . . not my intention to "defend" GPN . . for one thing I don't think it is necessary . . for another - defend from what ? - a difference of opinion on a video ?
My aim was a bit broader . . plus it seemed obvious you wanted the discussion to continue.

Just as you choose to take Bryan's comments at face value . . I choose to think that someone as free with her thoughts and information as Grace has always been in interviews is being honest in her comments.
Not sure what you mean by "this article" .. she has answered Qs about the split more than once.

For the record, I don't own a pair of rose colored glasses . . I simply do not have a problem with the Paris video.
Is it a favorite ? .. no - so probably I won't watch it a lot - kinda doubt the band will lose any sleep over that.
But do I think words like "crass" and "tacky" are warranted ? .. no.
BTW . . if you like the hotel video try this . . I was told by someone that the hotel room version of Paris is horrible because it will give people the idea the band was drunk and may be "too close".

How we see things is truly all about where one's head is . . mine can usually be found in the realm of 'do your own thing as long as it doesn't f'up anyone else's thing'.



Okay I'm bored with Paris . . .
I have serious love for the song Things I Never Needed but don't like the video - think it devalues the song and it's a lazy performance. Doubt that will get any discussion - just doesn't have the same draw without the sex factor does it . . :)

[Marty DiBergi]

i'm old myself.

i didn't even watch the entire video.

it works wonders.

for old people.

like myself.

who needs viagra?

[toofarnorth]

great rock n roll is all about pissing off old people.

For the record . . I quality for "old" - you know - that generation that invented rock & roll . . :rolleyes:



ETA: .. LOL , Marty . . little long for haiku but a good effort ;)

[eric]

dont take the vid too seriously. looks like they had a ton of fun making it, and it came out great. i think everyone makes a ton of excellent points on this thread and ill just add Grace and the crew seem to me like if they are going to do something, they don't hold back, they give it their all and more. and if shes not up for something she holds off entirely...wouldn't want to go at it half-assed...u can tell grace goes on instinct and decisions like holding off on the solo effort when the new band formed and playing in VT instead of Cali on June 8th are just a level of classiness most people don't even realize, but those are not easy decisions. she decides something is the right thing to do and she gets behind it 100%, for that she is entitled to certain level of flexibility, and a large pat on the back.

In this case the subject at hand is an extreme Paris vid that features not only Grace and Cat at their sexiest but also an additional handful of hotties as well as of course the gentlemen presumably getting dirty as well (sorry i really wasnt looking at u guys)...anyway my point is they signed up for it so at that point they're "all in." that is just the way they roll. i wouldn't look too deep into it. looks like they had a ton of fun and there are at least 20 acoustic videos online where grace and they guys (and Cat when included) are wearing jeans, t-shirts, flannels, no make up (well, ya know)...at least half of them are of "paris" so i think the new vid shows the range of the song and of Grace's spirit. 4 me iits most about the music, that song is truly greatness...not trying to start a debate but the first half of 2010 it has been their hottest live long 99% of the time. not by much but Paris is the peak of most sets as far as bringin it back to that stiff groove and getting the crowd involved. Grace just loses it. that new vid is just a result of that song and its power. that song needed somewhere to go, the radio wasnt enough, Leno was a nice teaser...but yeah, that new vid is too hot 4 the hot tub. anything less would not have been worthy of the song itself. its workin 4 me.

[Karen]

The girls were on the floor much of the time - at least that fit the song. :rolleyes: I felt a disconnect with

[kired]

Oh LOOK, SSDD on ye olde forums.

[Karen]

Oh LOOK, SSDD on ye olde forums.

Umm, ?

[tipiboy]

That place sure is somewhere1

[Snowbird]

[QUOTE=Karen;1769]The girls were on the floor much of the time - at least that fit the song. :rolleyes: I felt a disconnect with

[kcortez]

F***ing Grace Potter - she blew it. If only she would listen to my advice. Rather than start the video strutting out in that black robe and then taking it off - she should have started out in jeans, a flannel shirt and cowboy boot and then taken THOSE off. I mean right? right? Then you could have gotten the message that she was casting off the old . . .

Ok, never mind . . .

[Karen]

Can't tell if kc's being funny - kinda think not, and wishing I'd kept out of it. Almost as much as I wish I'd seen that big blue truck today. i'm no good at being funny.

[kired]

F***ing Grace Potter - she blew it. If only she would listen to my advice. Rather than start the video strutting out in that black robe and then taking it off - she should have started out in jeans, a flannel shirt and cowboy boot and then taken THOSE off. I mean right? right? Then you could have gotten the message that she was casting off the old . . .

Ok, never mind . . .

I don't get it...*dodges smelly old Keen thrown at head*

[kcortez]

I don't get it...*dodges smelly old Keen thrown at head*

I've been looking for that smelly old Keen everywhere. Yes - it's the funny.

[Snowbird]

Can't tell if kc's being funny - kinda think not, and wishing I'd kept out of it.

Hey there Karen - don't you apologize for yourself posting here - I for one like to hear what you have to say - KC's humor is a bit tough to read at times - I think he'll admit it - oh yeah he did - he said he was going for funny . . .

And Kired??? inside joke maybe? or maybe I'm just dense ?? SSDD? Yeah, I missed that meeting too.

So - what will be the next video for us get crazy about?

[kired]

SSDD - Same $#% Different Day

Just a little tired of all the bashing, counter-bashing. I come for the love of the band not to be drooled upon by trolls proclaiming themselves to be concerned fans. They get us all riled up and they win. Maybe I need a vacation to recharge my troll hunting instincts.

[Snowbird]

Thanks Kired - I totally understand that same shit different day thang. Just didnt' get the initials.

How is troll hunting up in Maine? :)

All I really want is for this group of musicians to win - it's why I come here too!

[toofarnorth]

SSDD - Same $#% Different Day
They get us all riled up and they win. Maybe I need a vacation to recharge my troll hunting instincts.

Who's riled up ? . . . or more importantly - who won ? :D

Nevermind . . seems obvious the thread goes to the master of snark . . .

F***ing Grace Potter - she blew it. If only she would listen to my advice. Rather than start the video strutting out in that black robe and then taking it off - she should have started out in jeans, a flannel shirt and cowboy boot and then taken THOSE off. I mean right? right? Then you could have gotten the message that she was casting off the old . . .

Ok, never mind . . .


BTW . . I don't see bashing or trashing in this thread . . nor do I see winners or losers . . just conversation between people stating their different viewpoints.
To be honest I would be sorry to see this board become a place where there is no expression of less than PC ideas or thoughts . . no commenting other than nodding in agreement . . have seen that happen - be careful what you wish for.

[Wally C]

Hey Kired and Mojo...Get Fucked!!! And I mean that in a most loving way!!! heheheheheh:)

Man, I'm glad we stirred it up aren't you?? Like old times!! Only thing missing is Amy!!!

And Jan, you hit it right on the head about me!! Very insightful!!

I need a few days to figure out what else I may be pissed off about.......and I'm old too!!!

GPN has enough old farts like me following them around, they need some young blood!!

[kired]

Discuss away, it just sometimes feels like all forum discussions, everywhere, are the same.

Actor 1: I don't like XXXX because XXXXXXXX.
Actor 2: They're just XXXXXXX and XXXXXXX so they can XXXXXXXX
Actor 3: *snarky comment*
Actor 1: You're just defending XXXXXX because XXXXXX. I respect your opinion but here is why you're wrong. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Actor 2: I'm not wrong because XXXXXXX and XXXXXX and XXXXXX. Plus your mother was a XXXXXXXX.
Actor 4: Can't we all get along?
Actor 3: *snarky comment*
Actor 1: Well your mother was a XXXXXX who use to XXXXXXX down by the old XXXXXXX.
Actor 5: Keep it civil or I'll shut down this thread.
Actor 2: Well we'll just have agree to disagree.
<scene>

[kcortez]

Ignore Kired - he's so META . . .


My actual attempting to be non-snarky thoughts. (I said attempting). Ask yourself what purpose a rock music video actually serves these days. If your answer is "a rock video is a bands opportunity to create and present the one true picture of their sound and performance" then you're talking about filming a live performance - not making a video. A videos purpose is to get seen, to create a buzz - to get people who may otherwise not know about the band to come out to a show or buy the record and hopefully turn that person into a fan.

In these days of most of us watching the video on 15 inch screens connected to YouTube the other purpose is to get people to share the video with others and create a viral effect so that even MORE people are exposed - OUTBREAK!

So, go look at Facebook and see who is sharing the video and why. My highly unscientific poll show that most people are simply sharing it to their wall with no comments. Friends are replying with erudite phrases like "damn" and "holy fuck" and quite a few casual fans chime in about how great the band is. Sure the presentation is a bit of the old "IN YOUR FACE GLAM ROCK HOT CHICK SEX THANG". But Watson, do you like the song?

Chances are some of these people, after seeing the video, go to a show. Chances are a high percentage get religion. Chances are that a low percentage say things like "I expected more nudity" or "where are the ass-shaking backup dancers?" (Chances are actually good that I would say that come to think of it) - these people do not become fans. So be it - you had your shot.

The biggest concern is that you deliver on the promise live and on record. I would assume that most of you reading this agree that this is true - ergo - the video works.

Consider the cautionary tale of OK GO. Ever watch one of their videos? Brilliant. Ever see them live? Not so much. That said, they make some good dough on the videos so to each his own.

[Dollar]

SSDD - Same $#% Different Day

Just a little tired of all the bashing, counter-bashing. I come for the love of the band not to be drooled upon by trolls proclaiming themselves to be concerned fans. They get us all riled up and they win. Maybe I need a vacation to recharge my troll hunting instincts.

kired, Sorry if I pissed in your cornflakes. I actually enjoyed my discussion with Wally & toofarnorth as we kept it civil even though we may have different perspectives on the new video & other matters. If this makes me a troll by your standards,my suggestion would be starting your own web page called "In Good Graces" where only positive posts will be accepted & you as the webmaster can make sure that no dissenting opinions are allowed.

[Marty DiBergi]

kired, Sorry if I pissed in your cornflakes. I actually enjoyed my discussion with Wally & toofarnorth as we kept it civil even though we may have different perspectives on the new video & other matters. If this makes me a troll by your standards,my suggestion would be starting your own web page called "In Good Graces" where only positive posts will be accepted & you as the webmaster can make sure that no dissenting opinions are allowed.

i thought it was civil. i even tried to take it down a notch but no one else lowered themselves to my standards. no one even brought up hitler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

maybe we start a thread that is all about the negative. we can call it "things i never needed" or "stop the bus, i'm getting off". that way people who get upset by criticism can just avoid it altogether.

[kcortez]

no one else lowered themselves to my standards. .

I tried to lower myself to your standards but simply couldn't achieve the depths you so often plumb. Sorry. I'll try harder. Most of my recent time has been spent on Google searching for "Backup dancers Grace Potter Paris video" so I don't have as much free time as I'd like.

[nate]

i thought it was civil. i even tried to take it down a notch but no one else lowered themselves to my standards. no one even brought up hitler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

By bringing up Godwin's Law, you have in fact proved Godwin's Law.

[Karen]

Thank you all for the funniest page yet - you made me laugh out loud. This humor wouldn

[kired]

kired, Sorry if I pissed in your cornflakes. I actually enjoyed my discussion with Wally & toofarnorth as we kept it civil even though we may have different perspectives on the new video & other matters. If this makes me a troll by your standards,my suggestion would be starting your own web page called "In Good Graces" where only positive posts will be accepted & you as the webmaster can make sure that no dissenting opinions are allowed.

Um, at any point did you stop to think I might be the troll here? I came in, vomited on y'all and got y'all going. Then proceeded to take the position of the offended party. I believe in the vernacular of the kids these days, I'm an "a$$hole." The rest of these folk are already well aware of that fact.

[kired]

Chances are that a low percentage say things like "I expected more nudity."

I didn't expect, but I can surely hope.;)

[Wally C]

Damn...I thought I was the a$$hole........

[Dollar]

Um, at any point did you stop to think I might be the troll here? I came in, vomited on y'all and got y'all going. Then proceeded to take the position of the offended party. I believe in the vernacular of the kids these days, I'm an "a$$hole." The rest of these folk are already well aware of that fact.

Honestly no but I don't know you like others here. The" I come for the love of the band not to be drooled upon by trolls" obviously confused me. But if you describe yourself as an a$$hole who drools on himself,who am I to question it? Thanks for clearing that up!

[kired]

Dude, my bib budget is through the roof.

[kired]

Damn...I thought I was the a$$hole........

We can be co-a$$holes.

[Timothy]

I would really like to join the discussion, but I can't view the video. Hulu can only be streamed from within the United States. Grmpf...
Anyone who ups it to another provider? Thanks!

[eric]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlhOgQ36m8

welcome 2 the war, Germany

[kired]

HULU = Impossible Germany. Unlikely Japan?

[Saygracenow]

The new video of Paris

Could not help but notice- Total You tube plays as of yesterday= 6,935
Total You tube plays as of today = 11,657

Total You tube plays of Mr. Columbus in the past 2 years= 2,896

[toofarnorth]

HULU = Impossible Germany. Unlikely Japan?

Ecstatic TFN = Grace Potter. Jeff Tweedy ? . . as in duet



eta: SGN . . how does Mr. Columbus look in sequins ? :D

[kired]

eta: SGN . . how does Mr. Columbus look in sequins ? :D

Bedazzled?

[Timothy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlhOgQ36m8

welcome 2 the war, Germany


Thanks, but again: This video is not available in your country. Copyrights suck!

[kired]

Thanks, but again: This video is not available in your country. Copyrights suck!

Copyrights good, corporate overlords bad.

[eric]

i thought Grace tweeted that the u tube link was viewable internationally...if not i agree that sux and is bullshit

[toofarnorth]

gracepotter (http://twitter.com/gracepotter/status/19023652955) OK my international friends! "Paris" #oohlala is now available on YouTube and Vevo! http://bit.ly/a0XAVN
she did . . that's the Vevo link . . this is YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlhOgQ36m8

wonder if it is a country by country thing ? . . vaguely remember that someone from Ireland said she had to create an account and be logged in to see You Tube videos . . it has been quite a while though

[Timothy]

Finally managed to view the vid. Maybe they have changed the settings? Good ol' youtube search produced a viewable version. Whoever upped it - i am most thankful.
...and viewing the vid on heavy rotation.
Hmm, Cat's legs are a special feature, I guess

[joester]

after the third time thru - one-a-day,
I'm still not quite there.
I hope it does something positive for whatever they were shooting for :)
21 days.....